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Poster: jerlouvis Date: Jul 19, 2011 8:20pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: under the radar guitarists (non-Dead)

In LIA's post today on the 7/19/94 Playin' he had a link to a blog about a guitarist that influenced Jerry who was more of a studio musician and maybe not so well known to the masses,this got me to thinking about some guitarists I admire who might fly under the radar undetected.I thought I would post some of their music,and hoped some others would do the same.

The first guy is that guitarist from the above mentioned blog,Hank Roberts.Today was my introduction to him and his impact on Jerry is very obvious,but more importantly he seems to be a consummate jazz guitarist.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e63af0rvTgw

The second guy is Dave Fiuczynski,a multi-genre type guy,who aside from his various projects is a professor at Berklee.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pSDiBPmB-0k

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0UzHoDKe6q8

Third is a jazz guitarist who played who made his name in the mid-60's in the bay area and also purportedly influenced Jerry.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w4aHyhuUn68

Up fourth is Sonny Sharrock,a pioneer and singular cat in the avant garde jazz world.The video features him solo for the first 5:45 and he is then joined by his madmen compatriots for a much different style romp.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-6x-au2E4cw

Next is Marc Ribot who I have seen play with Tom Waits,Elvis Costello and in a wide array of musical styles to numerous to list.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6VJKKFu83xw

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=laRMHWC-1fA



Last but not least is Jean Paul Bourelly,a talented all styles player.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TerRxq7iyOq

I don't know why the last 4 videos won't play,as I am pretty sure the URL's are correct.

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Poster: roughyed Date: Jul 19, 2011 8:23pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: under the radar guitarists (non-Dead)

Check "Fuze" on Ronald Shannon Jackson's Raven Roc alongside Jef Lee Johnson. I'm guessing the Sharrock video is Last Exit so here's Johnson with a Sharrock tribute
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IcWjZtEyyeA&;feature=related

And here's Shannon Jackson with Vernon Reid
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U78P_cUq6Rw&;feature=related

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Poster: leftwinger57 Date: Jul 21, 2011 6:30pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: under the radar guitarists (non-Dead)

unfotunately I do not know the guitarist name, but if you heard him I think you would be impressed. He's the lead guitarist for Chris Issak and his style harkens back to the Dick DALE school of the surf rock style w/ alot of tremelo.
Beyond that he does way more than I can explain and is the prefect fit for this band. I just listened again to the cd I have,and to say that I really was impressed. No space,jam here just songs that make sense....lw

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Poster: belmon36 Date: Jul 20, 2011 1:32pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: under the radar guitarists (non-Dead)


Great post. In know particular order:

Jessie Ed Davis, ( session guy for Dylan, and others)

Rory Gallagher

Peter Green.... I do not know if you would consider him under the radar. Considering how great he is/was he does net get the accolades he should.

John Lennon... A great rhythm guitar player, never gets his kudos.

Tom Verlain, From the and Television.

Roky Erickson, From The 13th Floor Elevators.

Great Post

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Poster: WillCo Date: Jul 21, 2011 1:04pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: under the radar guitarists (non-Dead)

Uncanny. I too had Rory Gallagher, Peter Green and Tom Verlaine lined up in the reply I was posting and then my PC crashed.

Television's "Marquee Moon" just has to be heard to be believed (I saw them do it in Newcastle in '78 or '79 with Blondie as the support act):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jlbunmCbTBA&;feature=related

Here's Rory Gallagher's "Going To My Hometown":
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i1PcRzfCieQ

Let's hear it for Barthelemy Attisso from Orchestra Baobab; here's "Coumba":
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KlR9SyUbq3s

Great to hear David "Fuse" Fiuczynski again. Check out the Screaming Headless Torsos for more of him. Here they are channelling Mahavishnu Orchestra and all kinds of stuff on "Smile In A Wave":
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fYgPU-WnmnA&;feature=related

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Poster: veblen Date: Jul 20, 2011 10:44pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: under the radar guitarists (non-Dead)

I always thought that the best guitar player you will ever hear will be that no name in that bar, on first or second or thirty-sixth street and not main street, in B.F. Egypt.

Not sure where he is on the radar, but do yourself a favor and check-out Eric McFadden:

http://www.archive.org/details/EricMcFadden

I used to refer to him as Django Hendrix and it might be a tad embellished but it's still close.

He has left me shaking me head after performances for a decade. From the Faraway Brothers to leading numerous bands to playing with George Clinton to his killer trio. All first rate music to say the very least.

Though one of my favorite under-the-radar guatarists is closer to being off-of-the-radar, living/teaching in El Paso, Tejas: Mario Otero.

He would make Segovia proud.

In his thirties, when he decided to get a teaching degree, he still could not read music. After receiving assignments to play a Bach piece or something he would head to my place, listen to the piece a couple of times and then play it to perfection, say thanks and leave.

Like Eric, another head shaker.

I've had the fortune and pleasure to have them both play for me solo, which puts a smile on my face just thinking about those times.
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One odd spot that I was totally blown away was in Juarez, a place where you would not want to visit these days. But there once were three university music professors that had acoustic floyd down pat. It was so incredibly good. The guitarron player was amazing. I would love to find some recordings of them.

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Poster: jerlouvis Date: Jul 21, 2011 2:31pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: under the radar guitarists (non-Dead)

I spot listened to a few things from each year here on the archive and can surely tell he can rip it up and has a unique touch on the acoustic.It was fun to hear the P-Funk tunes with Bernie and some of the rock covers.I'm going to have to give him a closer more extensive listen.Thanks for a quality recommendation veblen.

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Poster: ice9freak Date: Jul 19, 2011 8:37pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: under the radar guitarists (non-Dead)

Great to see Sharrock and Ribot on your list. Along similiar lines, I'll throw out: James Blood Ulmer, Jeff Parker, Bill Frisell, and Derek Bailey.

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Poster: jerlouvis Date: Jul 19, 2011 9:02pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: under the radar guitarists (non-Dead)

Great video additions roughyed,the Sharrock video in my post was a Last Exit,nice call.I practically lived at the Knitting Factory from the late 80's through the late 90's and saw these guys in all kinds of different combinations.One particular Decoding Society show with Jeff Lee and Fuze will stand out as some of the finest music I have seen,and I have witnessed a fair amount of music.
Some fine additions to the list ice9freak,all top notch players,with Mr. Bailey given a special nod for being there in the early days.

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Poster: bluedevil Date: Jul 19, 2011 10:12pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: under the radar guitarists (non-Dead)

Bill Laswell and Nicky Skopelitis! Saw me some Sonny!

How about Jamaldeen Tacuma w/ James Blood Ulmer? Hell, James should have been it that list...

So, did you see Lester Bowie at Knitting Factory?

How about Zorn's Masada?

Thanks for the links - always up for learning something new (even if it's old for others)

And might I mention, that in the past couple of years NELS CLINE has played duet shows with Bill Frissell and Marc Ribot? (Saw ice9 mentioned blood and frisell above)


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Poster: jerlouvis Date: Jul 19, 2011 10:32pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: under the radar guitarists (non-Dead)

Yeah BD,I did get to see Nicky and Sonny together on a few occasions one with Laswell at a Material show shortly after their duo record came out,the other time was a large scale 20 people on stage type of Laswell gig,sheer madness.Since you mentioned Blood Ulmer,I got see him with Sonny and Vernon Reid at a Black Rock Coalition show just rip up a 15 minute version of P-Funk's Cosmic Slop.Blood played NYC often with different lineups and was always good.I saw Lester play with the Art Ensemble of Chicago at the Knitting Factory on Thanksgiving one year,and possibly with Brass Fantasy there.I have seen Lester side projects about 50 times in NYC,but I don't remember him playing the Knitting Factory to often.As for Zorn I can't say that I'm a fan,but I dig the rhythm section of Greg Cohen and Joey Baron.I would have liked to have seen that Cline and Ribot pairing,I'm quite sure those boys put on a serious show.I've only seen Nels once back when Laswell put out some redone Miles fusion stuff,and I didn't know who he was but he took a few blistering solos ,this was the late 90's I believe.

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Poster: bluedevil Date: Jul 19, 2011 11:25pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: under the radar guitarists (non-Dead)

That Cosmic Slop sounds epic (love that tune and those players - mind blowing!). Good stuff. Re Zorn, I'm not a huge fan either, but I love the story of Madeleine Albright taking Vaclav Havel there to see him with Lou Reed and Laurie Anderson and Zorn yelling at them to shut the fuck up because he was playing. Saw Lester there a handful of times.

Vernon Reid. So underrated and overlooked...

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Poster: jerlouvis Date: Jul 20, 2011 8:38am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: under the radar guitarists (non-Dead)

That was a funny Zorn story BD,Lou Reed played a three night run at the Knitting Factory and then later on a one night two show deal and I saw Zorn in the crowd at one of those5.I tried to catch Lester whenever he played,and my memory is a little shaky as far as his Knitting Factory history,but if you saw him there a handful of times the odds are that I was at a show with you.In relation to Vernon Reid he should be lauded for the creation and continued patronage of the Black Rock Coalition,an organization dedicated to putting black musicians in the rock realm in the public eye,each year they do a few tribute shows to black musicians,off the top of my head I remember seeing tributes to Curtis Mayfield,Sly Stone,Motown,P-Funk,Art Ensemble of Chicago,Nina Simone and they do a Hendrix one every year for many years running.It is probably anywhere from 50-100 people from different bands in BRC performing together in various combinations.It is always a well done,raucous affair and Vernon has performed at a number of them. He is a real fine player and does a lot of different kinds of music with a wide array of people,and usually very successfully.

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Poster: Tidewater four ten O nine Date: Jul 20, 2011 7:03am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: under the radar guitarists (non-Dead)

Check out Tim Renwick who was in Quiver both with and without The Sutherland Brothers (i.e. The Sutherland Brothers and Quiver), played guitar with Pink Floyd (behind a stack of speakers while Gilmour hogged the limelight) and now spends his time in The Bucket Boys - a good time band that plays the pubs in and around Newquay, Cornwall (UNITED KINGDOM).

If you've got time on your hands, check out The Bucket Boys on WORLD WIDE WEB:-

http://www.bucketboys.co.uk/bboys/Welcome.html

TIM RENWICK has become well known for his work as studio session guitarist and sideman. A founder member of Quiver, who later joined forces with The Sutherland Brothers, he had his first UK record success with `Lying in the arms of Mary` (along with Willie on drums). Tim quit the band in `77 to pursue his own freelance career and since then has accompanied numerous artists on record and concert platform including Al Stewart (`Year of the Cat` and 7 albums), Elton John, Eric Clapton, Mike Oldfield, Dionne Warwick, Roger Waters, Tom Jones, Mike & the Mechanics and extensively with Pink Floyd - over 300 stadium shows worldwide and all live recordings/broadcasts from `87 to `Live 8` in Londons` Hyde Park in `05. More information available from his own website www.timrenwick.com


Music to your ears but, unfortunately, under the radar (more like sunk without trace).

This post was modified by Tidewater four ten O nine on 2011-07-20 14:03:53

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Poster: jerlouvis Date: Jul 20, 2011 9:38am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: under the radar guitarists (non-Dead)

Took your advice Tidewater and checked out Tim Renwick on the net and was surprised to find I was familiar with him and didn't know it,having seen him in some videos with Claptons band and Pink Floyd.Also know some of his other work from that impressive resume you listed.Thanks for the tip,you learn something every day.

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Poster: Tidewater four ten O nine Date: Jul 20, 2011 10:23am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: under the radar guitarists (non-Dead)

You know the old bit about it's better to give than to receive - never agreed with it myself, but !!!!!!

Check out the first two Sutherland Brothers albums (just for the songs - no Renwick) e.g. "The Pie" (still one of my all time favourite unrequited love songs), the original "Sailing" as murdered by Rod Stewart and others and "Real Love" with magnificent swirling Steve Winwood (yes, him) keyboards as it reaches its climax.

Then, for Tim Renwick, check out the later 'SB&Q' "Reach For The Sky" album and the "When The Train Comes" track in particular.

Then, if you feel tempted, check out the SB&Q "Dream Kid" and "Beat of the Street" albums - these like the above are all bargain basement material and they ain't gonna cost you an arm and a leg.

Then, get all your Santana and Eric Clapton (anything / everything after 'Layla') albums and stick them on the bonfire.

Then, sell-up and move to Cornwall and stalk the Bucket Boys.

You know it makes sense ............

Me, I live in Thailand, they won't have me back in the UK but they can't stop me playing the music !!!!!

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Poster: jerlouvis Date: Jul 20, 2011 9:13pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: under the radar guitarists (non-Dead)

Took down the info Tidewater and will keep my open for your suggestions,thanks.

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Poster: Tidewater four ten O nine Date: Jul 20, 2011 10:33pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: under the radar guitarists (non-Dead)

a pleasure .........

Just don't get me started on Terry Reid !!!!!

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Poster: bkidwell Date: Jul 19, 2011 6:11pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: under the radar guitarists (non-Dead)

Cool post, some of these players are new to me. Perhaps youtube pulled the videos with non-playing links? A lot of music gets removed over licensing issues.

Do we have any idea what recordings Jerry owned as part of his estate? I think it would be interesting to know what his personal music library had in it, although probably he bought/was given a lot of music he never even bothered to listen to, but it would be still very useful research to find out what he had collected.

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Poster: dark.starz Date: Jul 20, 2011 1:01am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: under the radar guitarists (non-Dead)

Not so much off the radar, thoroughly influential to say the least;

Django Reinhardt
Charlie Christian
Chet Atkins
Freddie King
Art Tatum
Bill Monroe


Both Weir and Garcia have/had massive LP collections, where exactly Garcia's 12" vinyl library resides? only heaven knows for sure.

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Poster: snow_and_rain Date: Jul 20, 2011 8:07am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: under the radar guitarists (non-Dead)

Art Tatum the pianist?

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Poster: Psy-Fi Date: Jul 22, 2011 2:57pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: under the radar guitarists (non-Dead)

How about Jim Thomas, guitarist with the Mermen and the Shi-Tones?

Both bands are here at the Archive, and both bands kick some serious instrumental/psychedelic/surf ass!